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EXPOSE MICHEL AOUN. JOIN THE CAMPAIGN (PartII)

Thread Starter: MT   Started: 10-08-2009 8:49 PM   Replies: 1614
  Oct 08, 2009, 8:49 PM
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Re: Expose Michel Aoun: Join the campaign
What about Jumblat ya Sniper ? nothing comes to mind about Jumblat today ? LOL

  
  Oct 09, 2009, 9:08 AM
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MT,

Did you actually read my post as I said,  I did not know the muslim calendar,  perhaps if you could actually read things properly I may take you more seriously.

As for the Al-Aqsa,  tell me when was it built?  What century?  and why is it called the temple mount,  because there was a Jewish temple there you .. You think that a few centuries later you can claim it as yours...  The name Temple mount says it all...  Perhaps you could explain that one then,  you built a mosque in the 7th century,  and then claim Jerusalem is yours,  sounds like medievel occupation. 

And tell me since you seem to know everything,  why is Jerusalem not mentioned in the Koran as if it was so important to you,  why did it not mention that is where Al-Aqsa is?  Well???  I know Jerusalem is important to muslims,  and i understand that,  but for you to say we are occupying Jerusalem is false and to say the temple mount is purely yours is also false,  and the name gives it away...  but you seem to be a typical shiite in that you want everything and are so hell-bent on it that you have no idea how to share or even understand that Jerusalem is our holy city,  just like Mecca and Medina is for you.  When you can understand that,  then maybe there will be peace,  but until then your a lost cause to the modern world.  Better go and polish those missles to fire at haifa...! 

Now, try reading this post instead of posting nonsense



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  Oct 09, 2009, 4:02 PM
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Not really MT. My thoughts go to the family of George Abou Madi (an innocent by-stander), who was coldly assassinated by the tatar and hamaj, thieves and thigs and militants that you oh-so-much-love and cherish. And we all know who those are.

I don't understand what you really brag about: no matter how strong or lasting you think Syria and its proxies are; you're mistaken. We've taught you lesson after lesson; and you still don't understand that it's us (Lebanese) who'll be left standing; and all of you, thugs, punks and thieves and cavemen are gonners.

Let me remind you: from 1975 when we fought the PLO to 2005 when we kicked the Syrians out to the International Tribune over the late Hariri to kicking your azzes in June 09 elections. We pay a high price to maintain our independence and sovereignty but we're still standing and fighting for our rights; punks like you, Berri, Jumblat and Aoun come and go. We stay. Dig it boy.






  
  Oct 09, 2009, 6:07 PM
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Alan,

Yes, I’ve carefully read your post, here’s what you said : “i dont know what the year is on the muslim calendar,  but i do know that their calendar is a few thousand years old”. The Muslim Calendar is less than 2000 year old, day one marks Muhammed’s migration from Mecca to Medina. Perhaps if you’d been more careful in expressing what you know and what you don’t you’d save yourself some embarrassment.

You say the name “Temple Mount” says it all,  what do you think the Arabic name for Jerusalem means?  can you translate “Al-Quds” for the people reading this ? You say “you understand” the importance of Jerusalem to Muslims, yet when I read your dissertation on the issue I get the feeling that you don’t or don’t wont to. Can you list 3 reasons why Jerusalem is important for Muslim ? 1-2-3, let me and the readers of this know how much you understand.

Oh, and what is a “typical Shiite” ? is that like a typical Jew or a typical negro ?

PS :If its of importance to you, I’m not a Shiite neither by birth nor belief.


  
  Oct 09, 2009, 6:24 PM
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Oh, and Alan, on the issue of “lost causes to the modern world”, a note to the readers of this page (Sniper’s “International Audience” )  Every year, the UN votes on the resolution declaring the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem Occupied Palestinian Territories and every year the vote goes like this : The US, Israel, The Marshal Island, and Micronesia on one side, the Whole World on the other. When our children, grand children, or grand grand children dance on the walls of Jerusalem, few will feel sorry for you.
  
  Oct 09, 2009, 9:55 PM
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MT,

Yes and i said I did not know about the Muslim calendar,  do you know about the jewish calendar or are you ignorant of your enemy?

And yet again you fail to answer a single point of my post,  as usual you ignore why is it called the temple mount?  Well MT?  You have no idea on how to share anything,  which is why you and Sniper can never even get on,  because you have no concept of even sharing a country let alone religious sites. 

You want to dance on the walls of Jerusalem?  You have the temple mount,  Israel gave control over to the Wakf after the six day war when we lierated Jerusalem,  before in 1968,  Jews were banned from the western wall you the arabs and it was used as a rubbish dump,  that is the respect you have... 

you asked why Jerusalem is important to Muslims,  can you tell me why Jerusalem is THE most important place for Jews?  Or do you want me to list the your prophet had a dream that he rode on a winged horse and imagined it was Jerusalem...  Can you list why it is important to Jews?  Do you really want to compare history and claims?  When was the Al-aqsa built,  what century and how many centuries was that after the temple of solomon was there?

 but as usual you have not answered anything,  why is Jerusalem not named in the Koran,  why is al-aqsa not mentioned as being in Jerusalem,  why do you not know how to share the Temple mount area, considering it is Judaisms most holy site in the world,  and yours is in Mecca and Medina,  and yet you want to dance in Jerusalem...

oh and MT,  every few months,  the UN votes about Iran and Russia, China,  the arab dictators and the mad Chavez vote against it,    and you have the nerve to say about Israel,  when you support a regime that shoots its own people in the streets,  hangs ga.ys,  tries to convert Bah'ai's,  has killed allied troops in iraq,  kidnapped British sailors,  blew up argentina and from the latest reports even force rap.es women in prisons...  Yes you great grandchildren will have such a bright future....    actually i pity you,  because i can see Lebanon moving on and you are yours will be left behind while the world moves forward.  So carry on dreaming of dancing on the walls of Jerusalem,  have another war with Israel and another,  thats all you exist for isnt it.. and without Israel you would be just another useless militia in Lebanon.



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  Oct 10, 2009, 12:02 AM
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Alan,

Arab, Iranian, and South American dictators are what they are, dictators, so what about them ?  

Every year, the UN votes on the resolution declaring the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem Occupied Palestinian Territories and every year the vote goes like this:

1 -  The US, Israel, The Marshal Island, and Micronesia on one side
2 - The Whole World on the other.   

What about Arab dictators ?

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  Oct 10, 2009, 7:08 AM
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Allan, if MT stands with fanatics and ennemies of his own country and countrymen, do you realistically expect him to be logical?

Let me clarify one thing: MT and his ilk don't represent more than 10% of the Lebanese people, at best. The problem is this: this 10% is holding the country hostage at gunpoint.

There are 2 ways to solve this hostage situation:

1. Either fight them and cause a civil war; a fact Lebanese are trying to avoid at all costs.

2. Or try diplomacy (and solve the situation on the long-term).

There's another solution: fight the cavemen where it really hurts.

Of course, the cavemen, because they're primitive instinctive people, are trying to squeeze every kind of opportunity they can get.

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MT, you could, only one time, show a little decency and condemn the brutal assassination of George Bou Madi, 30 years old, who was stabbed to the heart, 5 times by the punks and thieves and looters of Amal & Co. It's the 100th time such thing takes place. The brutal crime was committed against George because he's Christian, living in a Christian neighbourhood.

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Allan, please don't preach us about Tolerance; we know how 'tolerant' Jews really are (not).






  
  Oct 10, 2009, 7:27 PM
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Sniper,

No i dont expect to understand him as he stands for everything i disagree with,  and I am not talking about religion,  i am talking about being a dictator and having no idea of democracy and I will always argue with that as well as bullies.  What i am trying to understand is what they want from us?  I get they want land and recognition,  but it should be mutual recognition,  my religion prays to jerusalem every day,  every prayer is saying we will be in jerusalem,  and for two thousand years of exile we dreamed of the day we would return to jerusalem.   Now i want to understand why he cannot accept i have a claim as well as he does,  historically, religiously and nationally. 
Yes he says about the West Bank,  Gaza and east Jerusalem,  fine we offered that,  one more than one occasion,  including the temple mount,  but thats still not enough is it.  Oh no,  he wants the whole country of Israel,  no sharing no agreements,  just war and everything that goes with it,  and for generations to come no less.  I am surprised he isnt called Bin Laden with the talking he does!!!   That is what i am trying to understand,  and so far every question has been ignored and every argument ends in insults. 

What can i say about your comments on Lebanon,  there could be peace between us...  its a vicious cycle,  we do overflights because of Hizb missles,  we invaded because of the PLO and Hizb, neither purely Lebanese...  and we got sucked in Lebanon because of our idiocy and foreign powers using Lebanon as a tool.  We could give back the Sheeba farms no problem,  but to who....  Should we stop the overflights...  no,  because we need to know what Hizb is up to.  And i worry that one day Iran will just order them to start another war for their own ends. 

I wont comment about your last point,  as you obviously do not actually know any jews and have probably never sat and talked to even one Jew to even know what we are like.  Perhaps i should comment about Christians in the same way....???



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  Oct 14, 2009, 3:57 PM
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100 days or more have already passed and the cabinet formation has turned into ridicule. Saad Hariri is doing all the wrong stuff; a textbook of a novice, wet-behind-the-ears politician. He relinquished and surrendered to the cavemen's demands on the go; and later when he found out he was made a fool; tried to save his face with more of the same things he did before!

The whole thing smells like a brothel!

If March 14 aren't the clear winners in the new cabinet; as per June 07 elections; then they have to boycott and let Mustaqbal, Jumblat, Aoun and Cavemen rule. Maybe it's time for the winners of elections to do sit-ins in DT Beirut and cause civic strife? Is that what Mr. Hariri wants? Hand over the 14s win to the primitive decadent incompetent and corrupt leftists and fundamentalists? It's better to stay out of the cabinet and be in the opposition than handover our win in such a humiliating manner.

Isn't it about time for a certain someone to take their thumbs out of their a#%!* and take on the cavemen head-on? On May 7 2008 Al Mustaqbal surrendered Beirut to the military invasion of gangs, thugs and looters; are they going to surrender once more, and relinquish the Lebanese people's rights (on which the 14s won the elections) to the hordes of disloyals, lawless and outlaws? Isn't it time for someone to stop the retarded cavemen for God sakes?! The neanderthals of Iran and Syria do NOT scare us. Our patience has its limits; and it's running out, fast.






  
  Oct 16, 2009, 6:14 PM
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Sniper,

Lets make a deal buddy. Why don’t you produce one study, poll, or even an op-ed opinion published in one of the top 5 mainstream Lebanese newspapers (you choose one) written by any journalist (you choose one) confirming your claim that the Lebanese opposition represent only 10% of the Lebanese people and I hereby declare before your “International Audience” my intention to issue a public apology for every word I directed toward you on this page and promises never to utter a word again. I mean, you’re right when you say that fighting the opposition would lead to a civil war but why don’t you inform your readers why ? give us a break with your silly percentages, what a silly naïve boy you are.

 

As for Abou Madi, the crime has no political background, you’re asking me to condemn it? I do condemn it as I do condemn every other crime. He was killed because he was Christian? If that’s the case I’m for dragging the culprits by their bal.ls.


  
  Oct 16, 2009, 6:52 PM
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Alan,

Yeah, I’m the extremist and you’re the moderate. I’m for war and you’re for peace. I’m a dictator and you’re a democrat. You offered the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, the Arabs refused, blab la bla.

You know Alan,  there’s a basic principle of politics and it goes like this : "unite the many to defeat the few." You have to find a broad consensus which is going to isolate your enemies, and expose them as being the main obstacle to reason and justice. There is a consensus in the world how to resolve the conflict. It’s not a speculative matter, we all know it, because there’s a record. Every year, the United Nations General Assembly in November-every single year it votes on what’s called the "Peaceful Settlement of Palestine Question." I’m sure none of  Sniper’s "International Audience" heard of it. Every year, and it’s the two-state settlement: full Israeli withdrawal to its June ‘67 border, a Palestinian state within the West Bank and Gaza, with East Jerusalem as its capital, and some sort of resolution of the Palestinian refugee question in accordance with Resolution 194, the compensation or return resolution.

Every year the vote is the same. It just happened this past year: 161 countries on one side, the United States and Israel on the other-including the U.K, the EU, the Arab League, and Iran on the 161 side. It’s just the U.S. and Israel, and then there are five other countries every year: Nauru, Palau, Tuvalu, Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands. That’s literally it. I mean, people like Sniper’s International Audience might be about to laugh. That’s because the whole reality is laughable.

You, trying to pretend that I’m the extremist and you’re the moderate is laughable.

  
  Oct 16, 2009, 8:44 PM
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Sniper is again quibbling with realities he can’t grasp. He has been telling his “International Audience” that the opposition represents only 10% therefore there’s no need for a National Unity government.   He doesn’t want to fight the “10%” because such action will lead to a civil war. What does Sniper precisely want ? no one knows.

But the latest in the series of delusions is the most interesting. Sniper is calling the 14th to boycott a Harriri led government. I kid you not, read carefully what he said. This guy is more naïve than I thought he is



  
  Oct 17, 2009, 10:49 AM
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I don't do deals with leftists, Baathists and fundamentalists. You have nothing to offer in the first place, and I'm not interested in anything you have or represent. Mercenaries like you: I take what I want; and then throw you in courts of law.

What I call for is this:

1. Put Hezbollah on a leach. Unleash a secret service campaign to downsize their influence. Enforce the law and not fear to impose it in Dahiyeh itself. No begging for security.

2. Lebanon is taken hostage at gunpoint. With all their might and billions of dollars in financing, the cavemen could only muster 57 MP out of 128 (44%) in the elections. Imagine what could have happened if they didn't use terror and assassinations to impose their will.

3. The Lebanese Press and Politicians are more id.io.tic than you are! They're as easily bought and sold in the slavery and disloyalty market as you are. I wrote at length about the Lebanese Press Corpse (not Corps). I don't need to quote anyone of those. I express the opinions of the laymen on the streets; and these are more honest than all of the above (you included). I also quote facts: Hezboollah have terrorized and blew up cars for Kamel El Assaad (a prominent Shiite politicians to prevent him from participating in the elections. Did the same for Moufti Al Amin - a patriotic Shiite cleric in the South). There are too many proofs to cited; and I did cite them earlier in my posts.

4. If Hariri will relinquish our rights in such a humiliating manner; I call the 14s to boycott it rather than sell their soul and rights. This is a matter of principles and values which I don't expect you to understand; you've been traded in the slavery market for decades. You have no patriotism, values or principles left in you; no dignity and loyalty whatsoever.

5. Just because the cavemen have arms at hand; you think they're the strongest. We could very easily put arms at hand; that's not the issue, but we don't want to do that. On the other hand, they do NOT scare us in the least. You're used to be subdued by secret services and be oppressed, we're used to fight the secret services and win over them. That's the whole difference between you and us.

7. I quote you from before the elections when you 'reported' that European diplomats were 'running and begging to win the favor of Hezbollah before the cavemen win the elections'! (silly boy). I used to laugh and smile at length at how ignorant you are.

8. There's George Bou Madi almost on daily basis: what happened in Aisha Bakkar? What happened in Ain El Roummaneh last year? and last month? everyday there are similar events. What happened against Charbel Khalil's TV program? who was attacked by the hordes of thugs and thieves and looters? What happened to Joseph Sader (kidnapped on the road to the airport)?

9. Hariri has no balls; just like Siniora. Someone someday has to take the cavemen head-on; it has to start sometime soon; or else we'll take matters into our hands. And you know how ugly that will be, we used to scare you shi.tless and we still do. The cavemen so far are benefiting from our generosity in maintaining peace, but we won't let the State fade away. We know where are the red line; and won't let them go over.

I don't care about your apology, nor does anyone, if I may say. Readers differentiate between a patriot and a mercenary and a disloyal.






  
  Oct 17, 2009, 11:02 AM
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Allan,

Israelis and Pals have the right to co-exist in Palestine. That's how things will end up to be (now, in 100 or 1000 years). MT represents no one; other than a bunch of dreamers and fundamentalists, who'll eventually disintegrate into the nothing they came from.

The Goldstone report has really exposed Israeli brutality; Goldstone is a Jew himself and is a highly respected person. Let's hope there's international tribunal to trial criminals of war on both sides.

I have the feeling that the USA is using velvet glove policy against Israel to force its hand?? Maybe am I strecthing things here, but what do you think of the following:

1. The deteriorating relations with Turkey

2. The Goldstone report being allowed to go the UN security council

Do you it's logical to assume that Obama is trying to coerce Netanyahu into making a U Turn to make peace (using Turkey and Goldstone report as leverage).

I admit I have no Jew acquaitance, but we've been debating with you for the last 2 years. I also read and see what's happening in Israel through international media. I can make a sensible judgment using both. By talking to you; it seems even the most open-minded Israelis (you) are rigid and unable to admit facts (like lawful and legitimate right of Pals to live in your part of the land). I also know about brutality of the IDF and genocides (i.e. 2-time Qana massacres, June 2006 war in Lebanon and lately in Gaza).

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There's no hope for the Pals as long as corrupt people such as Abou Mazen did what he did lately (i.e. he vetoed the Goldstone to be discussed in the UN human rights committee).






  
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