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Re: Expose Michel Aoun: Join the campaign

Thread Starter: allan   Started: 10-19-2009 9:13 AM   Replies: 1614
  Oct 19, 2009, 9:13 AM
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Sniper,

You asked some questions and...

1) The Goldstone report,  if found out to be true and if verified by independent military analysts,  then the goverment at the time and the officers involved should be handed over for trial,  as I do not want to be part of or be represented by people that willfully attack civilians,  i will say that on American News they have had military commanders,  including the former head of ISAF who said that the IDF did more than any other military in history to avoid civilian deaths,  and it is a fact that over 2 million leaflets were dropped on Gaza to tell people where the IDF would be attacking and over 100,000 phone calls were made to residents telling them to flee.  If that is not enough or if Israel did use white phosphurus in built up areas than that is wrong and i will not defend the use of it,  as I know what it can do to people,  it is meant to be used on an open battlefield not in built up areas.  Secondly to all of that,  I expect Hamas to be indited for war crimes as well,  as the report is very clear on that too and Hamas should hand over its leaders for war crimes as well,  as the firing of rockets at civilians,  using human shields is also a war crime. 

2)  Turkey,  an interesting development is happening in Turkey,  it has been coming for a while,  the thing with Turkey is that the goverment is made up of Islamists now, whereas the Army is not,  Israel had a relationship with the Army but not the goverment,  and now it has reached a head but again Israel is a usefull tool to rally the people to ignore other issues affecting Turkey.  For Israel,  well tourism has dried up and Turkey has lost millions of dollars of revenue from israeli tourists as everyone here is cancelling tickets and booking other holidays instead,  the Issue of the Armenian genocide is now on the agenda in washington,  as Turkey begged Israel to help them deflect this bill in the congress,  and israel will cancel all military contracts with the Turkish Army now.  I think either a new relationship needs to be developed with Turkey,  because it seems that it is okay for Turkey to say what they like about Israel,  but when Israel talks about Armenia or the Kurds,  the Turks seem to think they still have an empire and can bully who they like.   It also seems to be part of a wider picture of Turkey moving away from the west and more towards to muslim world,  which is a mistake for them,  as the EU would have helped Turkey alot in the future, and the Turkish economy could do with those billions of Euro's.  Now it seems Turkey is leaning towards Syria and Iran,  but that has more to do with the current goverment in Turkey. 

No,  i do not think that as Obama seems to be trying the quieter approach to diplomacy and he has enough problems in America with his health care reforms,  seems he is not as popular as he was!  No idea how he got a nobel prize either after only 8 months in office. 

Funny how your second to last comment,  I can say exactly the same to you,  as in the international media most arab countries are close minded,  brutal dictatorships or petty warlords!  And I can also say about the brutality of some arabs (blowing up buses, cinema's, hotels and targetting women and children)  As well as refusing to accept our rights to live in israel,  our home.  I have said repeatedly on here that a two state solution will come,  it is a matter of time and how much blood needs to be spilt to get there and how stubborn Jews and Arabs are to acheive peace. 

You say about the corruption of the PA,  then who are we meant to make peace with?  Thats part of the damn problem.  An international solution needs to be found and outside for the Pals needs to be implemented until they can run their own country. 

What do you think of the explosions that seem to be happening lately with Hizb?  What is that all about?  And what is the situation with forming a goverment in Lebanon?



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  Oct 19, 2009, 10:16 AM
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I'm lost for words to express anguish with Lebanese politics nowadays. I was hoping the mistakes of 69 would never be repeated (i.e. surrendereing sovereignty to a militia - the PLO), but here we go again! It is 100% our responsibility; no attenuating circumstances despite the clever tricks Syria turned on us.

We'd have to wait for Mr. Hariri's proposition but no one has high hopes, or low ones. He's made a mess out of it already, and is subdued by the trio of cavemen from Dahiye - Damascus - Tehran. Hariri is a capitalist (like Siniora was), and capitalists are coward spineless whimps. Unfortunately, our president seems to be too much of a pacifist too. We have no hope unless someone carrying a big stick and a carrot comes along.

To answer you question about explosions within Hizb, I hope this whole organization blows up from the inside out (no thanks to Israel, of course). But no one can stockpile such tremendous weaponry, in unsafe conditions without risks of that, I guess.

I like your assessment of the state of affairs about Turkey; but do you realistically thought the EU would grant it membership? No way. Turkey is an oriental country; they were 'tranvestiting' (lol) into a European disguises; but you can't escape History and Geography. I'm not saying it's good news for the Arab world, it may or not be. We've had 400 years of Ottoman oppression, the Armenina genocides to know better. I also believe Erdogan has cut the wings of the army in many constitutional amendments; and the Turks are devote Muslims (the whole public opinion); without that I don't think their PM would make that sharp turn. Would the army make a coup d'etat? it could happen but I don't see it'd be as easy as before.

I see you're opposed to reform in US healthcare system, but why would you be? Do you have stock in one of the insurance companies there? I've seen the Roger Moore latest movie about healthcare in the US compared to Canada and Europe; so I know what I talk about Wink (a little that is).

Who would stop Netanyahu from having a field-day? That's the 1,000,000 dollar question. The peace process is now gone; even Obama seems helpless. By the way, I see you're opposing the healthcare program, why would you do that? I don't have specifics about that, but I believe he's trying to introduce reforms and make it accessible and cheaper for all  US citizens. There's no wrong with that.

I hope culprits on both sides of Hamas and Israel be taken to international courts of law; genocides are unjustified whatever the reasons.






  
  Oct 19, 2009, 10:55 AM
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So who is in charge in Lebanon now then?  How can you run a country like that,  it makes no sense at all to me,  g-d my country is bad enough with our useless goverment,  but at least we have a useless goverment of a kind!  You need someone to take charge of the situation and resolve this already as you have to have a goverment in charge already.

I dont know if Turkey would have been accepted into the EU,  but the process was there and moving on,  but it seems now that they have no chance of getting into the EU now especially with turning their backs on Europe and the current goverment moving towards the Arab world,  see thats part of the problem,  when i say the arab world,  its not countries like Dubai, UAE or Egypt or Lebanon.  They are turning towards Syria and Iran,  that to me is not a good sign for the future.  if they wanted to be constructive to the region why not move towards an economic model as the UAE has or build ties with Jordan or Lebanon or Egypt?  Why go after the two regimes in the region that is not moving forward and helping the region progress even more,  thats my opinion on it.  Maybe I am missing something,  but it seems strange that they choose to attack israel and at the same time align themselves with Syria and Iran. 

I am not at all opposed to health care reform in the US,  i said that he is not as popular in the states as he was,  because of the health care reforms.  My opinion from what i have read is that if your poor in America and you get ill then your screwed as people who are not wealthy cannot afford health care and that is wrong.  I am not sure what the answer is,  health care in Israel is part goverment / part private.  It seems to work up to a point,  but then Canada and the UK have free health care,  which is a great idea but costs a fortune!  No easy answers for that one.



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  Oct 19, 2009, 2:17 PM
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We have an interim government that's only allowed to transfer power to the new one; it doesn't have any constitutional rights for legislation. It seems we'll be stuck with it for 1 year or so. This whole thing is the doing of disloyal parties like Berri and Jumblat and Hezbollah. Lobbyists for Syria and Iran. Ultimately, it's the fault of the Lebanese, that I know; and more specifically the spineless gutless hapless helpless 14s...always afraid; always missing opportunities...always kissing up. Can't build a State with such kinds.

Turkey would have entered the EU only when Israelis acknowledge the rights of Pals in Palestine (i.e. Never). The thing is that Turkey isn't aligning itself with Syria and Iran. Turkey has to deal with other regional big players like Iran and Egypt; we, the small states, are change. Syria pretends it's a big player whereas it's not; they bluff their way into the big league, but everyone knows that Syria can impede things only, not find solutions. Sooner orr later I hope the Baath regime exhausts its damn.ed lady luck and break into pieces. By the way, Turkey had 2015 as the year to start negotiations with the EU; so by no means the process of integrating them has started. It was only a couple of days ago that Sarkozy, the French president said a resounding 'Non' to Turkey as EU member.

The GCC countries have signed a strategic pact with Turkey (to shield them from an imposing Iran). Ultimately, Turkey is a moderate Islamic state (so far), remains to be seen how deep and wide Erdogan and his Islamic party will turn out to be. They played a very shrewd game and it paid off for them. Do you think the army (whose wings were clipped) are able to do coup d'etat?

I don't believe Turkey would sweat for losing Israeli tourists; Muslim tourists would far outweigh the loss. Turkey is oriental; no matter how much Ataturk did.

Are you a fan of Roger Moore's? I also recommend you see Quentin Tarantino's Inglorious Basterds. Good stuff.

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Do you think the explosions in the South had anything to do with the Mossad? And by the way, next time you better keep your drones out of my backyard. I await for the day when I'd have a battery of SAM 300 to shoot down Israeli warplanes/drones that breach our airspace. But I can't see it happening anytime soon.






  
  Oct 20, 2009, 7:48 AM
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That makes no sense at all,  supposing there is some kind of crisis in Lebanon who would make new laws and push through any action needed? Supposing the Swine flu has a major outbreak in Lebanon or the economic crisis gets worse,  there must be a way to pass laws,  thats no way to run a country,  you know sometimes countries need strong leaders and it seems you do.  Look at Britian now with the gutless Brown, they are screaming for a new leader,  but i think some people like being in power just for the sake of being in power.   Is there no one strong enough in Lebanon to push through what is needed to be done?

Funny,  Israel has acknowledged the rights of the Palestinians,  so who know with Turkey,  if i remember didnt the UK and Germany want Turkey to join,  but France and Italy (?? not sure) say they didnt want Turkey to join,  obviously Greece does not want them to join, to much history there!  

I can understand Turkey signing with the GCC countries,  but why hold military drills with Syria? Knowing that in this part of the world every smallest thing is talked about and what message does this send to other countries of the region,  or Turkey's neighbours in Europe?
I dont think the Turkish Army can stage a coup now,  the Islamic parties have managed to push the army out of the center of politics now and the army seems unsure of what to do and is being used as a porn by the goverment now.

Oh,  and i await the day Israel doesnt need to overfly your airspace,  and the only reason we do is to spy on Hizb!



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  Oct 20, 2009, 1:23 PM
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It saddens me to admit it; but there's no sense or logic prevailing in Lebanon nowadays. And that's exactly what Syria managed to implement through its pawns like Berri. Imagine, that Mr. Berri, the Speaker of the House, is the 1st person who makes an absolute mokery of the Constitution. There's no exaggeration here; Mr. Berri has committed every single breach of Constitution. The Syrian plot was to implant its proxies in all joints of our governmental system to cripple it and make us needy of their interventions on daily basis. The Syrian proxies are militiamen with absolutely no pedigrees; rather the opposite: thugs and thieves and looters are appointed in key, mid and low-level positions; lest not forget their embezzelments of the national treasury like the electricity power plants etc etc. It's a tragedy, a real tragedy and a shame. This is the real plague that's eating our system from the inside out. I almost don't recognize Lebanon, even that of 20 years ago.

Unfortunately, we have a lot of capabilities in the private sector but no one springs to my mind in the public sector. I'm not sure you're familiar with ex-President Bashir Gemayel, who was assassinated in 82. We need someone of his caliber; fair but tough even ruthless when need be. What's happening is unbelievable, even to me as Lebanese.

You got it all mixed about Turkey and the EU. No one seriously would like to grant it membership; least of all the Asutrians and French. Germany too. Maybe only the UK (US ally) is indifferent; afterall the British are indifferent to the main continent itself!

Why is it allowed for Turkey to hold drills with Israel and deny it for Syria?! Joint-drills doesn't entail forming an axis. It was the little dictator of Aleppo who called to form an axis, not the Turks. The Syrian butcher wants membership get into the big boys club; just like a toad who inflated himself until it blew apart. Hope the Baath meets the same fate (but I'm not counting my chicken yet).

I agree about the Turkish army; Erdogan had them sitting on their hands.

It'd be good to use the SAM300s on your airplanes instead of using them as darts on my dartboard with MT's portrait as bull eye! lol

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I made a mistake when I referred to Roger Moore documentaries, I meant Michael Moore.






  
  Oct 20, 2009, 3:51 PM
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Sometimes a coup is needed, sad as it is to say so,  but sometimes a strong man is needed to sort things out once and for all.  Virtually every country and one time or another has had to do that at some point in its history.  It seems that your country needs to do the same thing,  its impossible to run a country that way.  I do agree with you about the private sector,  it is the same here,  the private sector is successful despite the goverment not because of the goverment. 

I do remember Bashir Gemayel and you need someone similar to take control and push Lebanon back.

I am not 100% sure with turkey,  but i did read in the newspapers that the UK was for Turkey joining the EU,  most likely because of the US pressuring them,  but it seems the EU does not even know what it wants to be,  except to push East as much as possible.  I do remember France saying they wanted to create a Mediterranian Union,  but that never went further than an idea,  which is ashame as it would have been a good idea and would have bought together countries in a more friendly way. 

Well if it was just a joint Turkey-Israel drill i would agree,  but it wasnt,  it was a Nato / US / EU / Israel drill and was meant to be a test of airforces etc.  Thats different than staging joint drills with the Syrian army,  I agree with what you said about Syria and they are desperate for friends but I think that Syria should make some changes,  why do countries try so hard with Syria,  when they dont change their ways.    They are a brutal barbaric dictatorship,  and countries should at least work to change their ways. 

Well the SAM 300's are good,  but I am sure the IDF can counter them,  but again its a catch 22 situation with this,  we wouldnt need to do overflights if Hizb wasnt there on the borders and didnt have rockets or Iranians right at the border.

I have seen one Michael Moore film,  but it was to American for me,  I cant remember the name of it,  but it was a few years ago and about corporate america. 



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  Oct 21, 2009, 12:06 AM
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Sniper,

I see. So you can’t name a single journalist, study, or poll, published in a mainstream Lebanese newspaper backing your claim that only 10% of Lebanese support the opposition? Can you name one political, social, or even entertainment figure that can back the 10% ? anyone ? from the left, right, center ?  the FPM, the LF, Kataeb ? any public Lebanese figures, anyone will do. Surely you can come up with better than “the man on the street” ya coward (jaban).

Alan,

The Syrian regime is indeed brutal and ruthless but does not even compare to Israel’s brutality and savageness. Can you inform the readers how many people were killed by the Syrian regime actions in the last 20 years and compare it to the number of children, women, and men killed by Israel in the last year alone ?

Oh, and Alan, Armies are supposed to crawl under elected government, does Turkey need a coup too ? a coup in Lebanon ? keep on dreaming….and a coup against whom ?

  
  Oct 21, 2009, 12:17 AM
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Sniper,

If half what you write here is true, then the Lebanese are a bunch of retarded idio.ts. I mean, you’ve descended to a level of simplicity worth only of a m.oron. The Syrian plot is to put proxies and implants to control us? Wow that’s clever, who would have thought of that ,  what a deep analysisIdeaIdea !! you should have contented yourself  with Roger Moore , that’s your caliber, what a ….

  
  Oct 21, 2009, 9:34 AM
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Firstly, not that I can't find a source to quote from; it's just I don't need to.

Secondly, we all know that statistics in Lebanon are cheated; customized to what you want to hear. We all remember the 'most reliable' statistics center of Mr. Kamal Feghali, who kept jumping from one TV station to another predicting a landslide win for the cavemen; and that's only one example.

Thirdly, I gave you the most reliable statistic of all. If using all their terror and assassinations and intimidation, all the cavemne put together (including Aoun and Hezbollah and Kwami Sermeyeh and Amal and Arslan); altogether they got 44% of the votes; imagine without the billions of Iranian dollars and assassations what would have happened: in a simple maths; divide 44% by 2 = 22% (best case scenario), but the most logical is to divided 44% by 3 = 15% for all that heap of...

You don't need statistics all the time to justify something. It's good to use common sense from time to time, should do it. (unless of course, you don't have any - which is your case; the case of a disloyal citizen who sides with militias againts the government; and sides with foreign countries against his own).

Fourth, I'm glad I make a trivial mistake every now and then, to make you happy (i.e. the Roger / Michael Moore stuff). Enjoy! and "Jaban" is written as "Jaben".

Fifth, what about the Hamah massacre when the Baath killed 20,000 in the 80s? Does that count; or the 100,000 Lebanese martyrs killed during Syria's occupation of Lebanon (out of 200,000 people who died during the war).

Do us all a favor and feel some shame of the 8s; how can you keep defending outlaws; thugs and thieves, this I don't understand.

Sixth, Lebanese are not s; only you and your ilk are; and unfortunately you have arms in your hands; and you know how the saying goes: "weapons in the hands of a do$#%* can kill" (literal translation).

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Why did you say nothing about the proofs I gave you about attacks on Christian neighbourhoods (i.e. attacks after Charbel Khalil program; Joseph Sader and other). Why are so much of a coward, you disregard facts that prove your twisted mind and misplaced loyalties? At least try to be a man, and admit a mistake.






  
  Oct 21, 2009, 10:21 AM
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MT,

To answer your question,  Syria managed to kill what 20,000 people in one go?  Or does that not count in your figures?  That does not include the number of people who were rounded up or disappeared over the years in lebanon and Syria.  As well as how many Iraqi's have been killed by the Syrians allowing foreign groups to enter Iraq through Syria..  And Israel has killed how many in the last year?  1500,  and that was due to the invasion of Gaza,  because of Hamas rockets.  And Syria wiped out an entire city because of the muslim brotherhood,  how many people was that MT?  How many women and children were in that city and how many vanished in Lebanon,  even i can look that up on the internet,  so why cant you?

Still want to compare between your hero's in Syria?  Israel is not perfect and we have killed civilians,  but I dont need to pretend.  You on the other hand do,  how much blood is on Syrian hands over the years?  Whats next,  maybe they should get to heaven with all the good deeds they have done... oh wait I cant think of one good deed!  Better go back to your masters in Tehran or Damascus and think of a better excuse than comparing between countries. 



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  Oct 22, 2009, 3:20 AM
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The Holy Kingdom of Saudie Arabia, "donates" millions of dollars to Sniper's dad and to his "hero", the professional assassin and the confessed killer and agent of Israel, Samir Geagea.

We do that because we want to control Lebanon. We have already invested more than 20 BILLION dollars in that country through our agent, Hariri, and we do not want to lose that investment...so we pay Snipers Dad and Geagea..!

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A few quick thoughts to share with you today:

1. Amr Moussa may run for the Presidency in Egypt. After crippling the Arab League and bring it to its knees; this impotent, incompetent, good-for-nothing and all-talk-nothing-done clown of a politician is determined to do the same to Egypt. Pitty the Pharaohs!

2. Patriarch Sfeir is speaking the truth and incurring the wrath of the puppets. The Patriarch speaks a lot of good words; but in crunch time, he made fatal mistakes, most notably when he vetoed the downfall of ex-president Lahoud in 2005. Had he not blocked that move, the scenario might have been totally different now.

3. Israel, in all boldness, has 'defended' its right to violate our national sovereignty and "its legitimate rights" to plant spy cells inside the country!!! They feel no shame these people!

4. Allan, the French speak a lot and do very little; the Med thing is up and running, co-presided by Egypt and Sarkozy; it was born dead; I wouldn't bet on it if I were you.

5. In spite of MT's nose, the International Audience of this post is a reality. How would readership exceed 86,000 hits if otherwise; unless MT himself is a crazed maniac (which he probably is) and is spending his days and nights clicking and double-clicking on this thread!!! making him a 'Fan' and a 'Disciple' of mine! (Unfortunately!). However, I'd like to thank readers for keeping up with this post, whoever you are, a big thank you.

6. The Middle East is going to be divided intro 3 main influence zones; unless the Arab World wakes up and gets his house in order. The 3 key players will be Iran, Turkey, the USA and unfortunately at its tail Israel (the troublemaker). Syria is trying to play its hand, but when the time comes Iran will discard and toss it; the Syrians bring nothing to the table that Iran can't handle by itself (why divide the cake when you can have it all for yourself - must be the Iranian logic - Syria is only a parasite that feeds off a body; it doesn't live in symbiosis with its environment).

7. Nothing in particular!






  
  Nov 04, 2009, 8:36 AM
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Sniper,

1)   Cant comment on as every time i hear him give an interview it sounds as though he has escaped from the 60's and is stuck in some timewarp

2) It is a shame that religious leaders who have the sense and world understanding cannot be used more,  or listened to more.   I sometimes think if religion was not there the world would be much easier sometimes.

3) What do you expect us to do?  You spy on us (well Hizb does)  and we spy on them,  its part of the game isnt it.  We all spy on each other,  but notice that our spying is always against Hizb.  As they are our enemy and I hope we carry on spying on them as we have to,   Sniper,  you would do exactly the same,  every country would!

4)  The idea itself was a good one,  but I guess France treated it as a play thing and was not serious about the idea,  a real shame..

5)  ??  Well you do have a new fan who seems to be a new incarnation of out old friend mad george!

6)  I disagree with this,  I think Saudi Arabia and the gulf states will have a bigger say than people think,  strong,  rich and slowly starting to realise the middle east is not about Israel and Palestine only!  The arab world is changing,  you can see it slowly happening in our lifetime and I dont know the outcome but I think they will stand up to Iran.  As for the US, obviously they will be involved,  but Russia is trying to exert influence again and maybe China will start as well to get involved,  unfortunately that means we become pawns for the super-powers yet again. 

7)...  best comment so far!!!   Big SmileBig Smile



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  Nov 04, 2009, 11:01 AM
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Allan,

1. You read my mind exactly about Amr Moussa. What a joke that he is.

2. Patriarch Sfeir speaks good words but does little to back them up. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the Resolve when it's needed; talk about good-intentions-wrong-timing.

3. You spy on us, we spy on you. But you don't have to brag about it!

4. Little Napoleon of France will achieve little, but he seems a little more pragmatic than your average French man. I hear they're putting Chirac on trial.

5. About THAT ill-fated 'fan'! Just picture him pressing that PC number 86,000 times in a row while he laughs at himself, thinking he fooled me! LOL Because of his brain meltdown; he doens't do a Cost/Benefit study...I bet he has arthritis now with his finger or it's maimed right now (finger spread wide...ehmm...Oh behave!)

6. China, no; Russia, little. You'd love the Arabs to have a new ennemy in Iran; and forget about you, don't you? Wink But it won't happen: Al Aqsa is in Jerusalem. KSA may have some kind of influence, rightly so, but isn't a key player when push comes to shove.

7. I do agree...it's an interesting concept...a-free-your-mind-kinda-thing!






  
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